Apocalypse tends to be a vision of justice for people who are experiencing an injustice. For Dr. Erin Prophet, the chaos and uncertainty in the world with both the pandemic and the collective anger about harmful and ineffective policy, just might provide us all with hope for change. In this conversation we discuss religion, the symbol of the apocalypse, her experience living in a religious group that prepared for the apocalypse, the need for systemic change to address issues associated with race, what we can learn from our history, how we need to be reflective during times of intense unrest, and the ways in which religions can help us, during times of crisis, and how they can also hurt.