In this interview of The Sacred Speaks, we delve into the multifaceted world of magic, exploring its neurological, spiritual, and cultural aspects. Dr. Bever,

provides insights and expertise throughout our discussion. We begin with the question, “what is magic?” and Dr. Bever offers a definition of magic and

shamanism, setting the stage for the rest of the conversation. As we discuss the interplay between magic and popular beliefs, including the rational and

irrational, we examine how these shape our understanding of the world. We explore the impact of Descartes’s ideas on dreams and dualism, and how they

have influenced our worldviews and ways of thinking. Touching on the concept of suppressed knowledge in the context of magic, we delve into how it has

been perceived historically. We further investigate the role of alternate states of consciousness in witchcraft trials and the blurred lines between religion and

magic. Analyzing the theory of mind from a rationalistic perspective, we discuss how it relates to the controllable aspects of religion. We then examine the

value and potential pitfalls associated with the concept of “experience” in religious contexts. Exploring the relationship between power dynamics and the

practice of magic in society, we consider the impact of population size on the development and evolution of religious beliefs and practices. We discuss the

role of prophets in contemporary religious movements and the challenges they face in today’s society. Looking at the resurgence of esotericism and magic in

modern times, we delve into their relevance and significance. Finally, we venture into the world of the paranormal, discussing topics such as poltergeists and

the role of narratives in shaping our understanding of truth.