Richard Rohr is a Franciscan friar, spiritual teacher, and founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He is a well-known author and speaker on topics such as spirituality, mysticism, and Christian mysticism. In this interview Fr. Rohr and John begin by outlining the four worldviews that Richard identifies in the appendix of his book, The Universal Christ, they are material, spiritual, priestly, and incarnational – all of these highlighting the various ways in which matter and spirit are related and experienced. We continue exploring the first half of life or the ways that each of us adapt to our environment, a process that often results in wounding, religion’s role in supporting each of us to experience the whole of reality, and not simply reducing reality to it’s constituent parts, God as a name or face that we give to the nature of reality, Fr. Richard comments on his early formation as a priest and notes a few fortunate aspects of his childhood that contributed to his worldview of inherent goodness in the world, what he likes about being Catholic, the 1962/66 second Vatican council, the analogy between a wrathful god and one’s relationship to a punitive early family life, the mystical view of god, belonging systems and how they are valuable and can also be misused, homogony, self-criticism, proper containers for religious and philosophical formation, nondual consciousness and how thinking separates us from unitive consciousness, Fr. Rohr’s audience with Pope Francis, inclusivity and the church, the false self and development, initiation into the second half of life, fathering, men desiring to matter to their father, the practice of forgiveness, the “cult of innocence,” psychedelics, the repression of the sacrament, healthy containers, and psychedelics as a friend to religion.